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MONDAY MORNING MESSENGER

Message prepared especially for Members of the American Institute of Inspectors® as well as Home Inspectors abroad

September 24, 2001

GOOOOOD MORNING, A.I.I.™.... 

It's a great day here in Orem, Utah!  Firstly, you will notice a new look for the MMM.  I have worked diligently to change the layout of the MMM to make it more archive friendly.  The webpage setting should make it very easy to print this issue out and store in a notebook (I have been deluged with request to accomplish this feat).

I also wish to make any apologies to those faithful Inspectors who have responded to the questions of recent issues.  The responses are lost in cyberspace.  I found out that the response forms were inoperable due to a glitch of CGI  code scripting.  The CGI scripting allows us to have the interactive forms and response system.  I was heartbroken when I learned that the system was out of service because I know that there were numerous responses that were just plain lost.  

The new format is similar to the old, but just a lot more complex to produce.  I have troubleshot the response boxes and this should be ready to go.  You should also be able to print this directly from your browser and have it separate at the pages as well as not cut off graphics in the middle of the page break...... Whether or not it will work as designed is another question all together.  The entire time that I have been putting this issue together I have been mumbling the words..... "There has just got to be an easier way!"

As to the new password protections, just the fact that you are reading this tells me that the new password system is operational.  I know that I will be fielding a lot of e-mails and phone calls this week for those that have a difficult time typing in the new password........ So what is a PowerPouch anyway?  The "Power Pouch" is the accessory that helps to keep little Pocket PC's from being dropped and broken.  The webpage to view the "Power Pouch" is available by CLICKING HERE.  I have not made this page available to the general public yet, but you can get a sneak peek.

 


EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S ADDRESS

Hello Mr. & Ms. Inspectors, Families, Friends and other interested parties, 

Summer came to an abrupt halt early this morning as the temperatures dipped to 26 degrees in our little Southern Oregon Community. My vegetable garden seemed to droop out a soggy message telling me to finish harvesting the produce it has so graciously offered these last few months. Misty and I both have spent the last several evenings canning fruit and vegetables. I love the security of having all the food we work so hard for through our short growing season, finally in its places on the shelves. 

Although we will still have some nice days with warmer temperatures the real message with the arrival of Fall is; It is normally the time business tends to slow down a bit and many of us go into a different mode; this is why we have the Annual Meeting in November and not in our busier summer months. A year ago the Annual Meeting was the first conference I had put together and I was so grateful we had such a successful event. I learned a great deal from that first conference. They are getting a little easier with each one. I still love to get your feedback and suggestions but prefer it done in personal emails to me at aii@cdsnet.net

The major details are taken care of for our upcoming Annual Meeting. There are always a million last minute things that seem to come up. Its kind of fun trying to plan for what they might be. Someone called me a few weeks ago and said, "Hey I see the fee for the Annual meeting has gone up to $300, I guess it costs more to produce now." I was happy to point out that the fee has only gone up for those who register after October 1st. There is a discount of $50 for those who register before October 1st, actually reducing the fee for full conference registrants to $250. (You may not have noticed that in the brochure, I guess my fax line will be buzzing from now till then end of the month while you are getting in those registrations). I also want to point out that some of the Pre-Conference classes have size limits on them to ensure the highest quality. 

I guess I really love the anticipation of upcoming conferences knowing I will get to interact with so many of you in one place. It's great to see who the people I've met on the phones are, and for us all to meet those new inspectors I keep introducing throughout the year. I was pretty scared to go to my first conference; not having much confidence at that time. I came home feeling so validated for my choice to become a self employed home inspector, my confidence level soared. I was busy marketing my business, pouring over conference notes and so pumped up about this association. That was in 1995. I have been to every conference since then and still leave each one with that same enthusiasm that I felt at the first one. 

There is so much to be gained from attending the conferences. Many members arrive at the conference on Thursday to attend Friday's Pre-Conference classes or to volunteer to help out with the classes. For this reason we scheduled the Board of Directors meeting on Thursday evening. We have also tried to build in some times for you to visit and relax as well as offering great education opportunities. I think we have accomplished that. The Friday night Hospitality Reception will be an informal setting allowing you to mill around and visit with other inspectors. There will be hors d'oeuvres, entertainment and vendors available to visit with about products and services. If any of you are interested in having a vendor table to present home inspection products and services you may have developed please contact Bill Schwahn at mtinspectr@aol.com

Last year we added a special treat of Sunday Morning Service for those who wish to attend. I followed Nathan around on the rodeo circuit for a few years until he met his bride, (Misty was Miss Northwest Pro-Rodeo in 1998) and stayed home for a few years to build a house and start a family. Many rodeos offer a cowboy church service on Sunday morning for those who are away from home a lot of weekends. I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to worship in a barn or under a tent with others who were grateful to come together anywhere on Sunday morning. Now we have an opportunity to worship with others of our industry in an Inspector Church Service. We are so blessed to have the gift of Minister and Inspector, Greg Justice among our ranks. 

Sunday afternoon we have scheduled an optional trip to Virginia City for those who have already taken Earthquake Inspection Training. I have been to Virginia City once before. There is a lot of old western history, board walk sidewalks and the original cemetery combined with (of course) some gaming machines in some establishments. On my way over the hill last time I also saw a herd of wild mustangs. You may have noticed in the conference brochure that Nevada and Oregon State Certified Inspectors will receive Continuing Education Credits for some of the classes. Does anyone know what other states have Certification Laws and what entity is the governing body? We would like to continue to apply to other states for approval to provide Continuing Education to their inspectors. I would appreciate it if you would email any information on other states that require Certification at aii@cdsnet.net . 

Ballots will be mailed out this week to all A.I.I. members eligible to vote in the 2002 General Elections. We have some really tough choices to make between some very good candidates this year. Please mark your ballots as soon as you open them and return them in the stamped, addressed, envelope provided for you. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. 

Best wishes for a prosperous inspection week. Betty Buckley Executive Director
 

What Annual Meeting event are you looking most forward to participating in?

Your Name:City: State:

Please include your name.


PRESSED BOARD DRY ROT???

To the group, especially ones in the Structural Pest industry, I did an inspection on Friday, house of about 11 years old with hardboard siding. There were some sections of the siding that were damaged, most likely by some miss guided sprinklers. The "termite" inspector said to all involved that it was not a Section 1 notation, because "...pressed wood siding does not dry rot...." Never heard this one before. Is this true???? Just wondering. Ken Ives - Sacramento, CA

Ken, Pressed wood siding does not dry rot. It decomposes when the glues fail due to heavy moistures. This is the same with pressed board sub flooring or any press board materials when they come in contact with water. You will see this a lot around toilets and in bathrooms in general. 

Wood that has been "cooked" like pressed board, does not generally have any of the natural fungi in it to be activated by the moisture and therefore cannot dry rot. Ron Cloyd - Klamath Falls, OR

Okay, so the material is "cooked" and doesn't have the fungi in it when it is installed. But what is to stop the fungi from finding a suitable place to colonize after the installation if the food and water source are available? The wood fibers are certainly food, if not the glue. As we are all learning these days, mold spores are everywhere, just looking for suitable conditions in which to proliferate. Is the "black stuff" in the siding and particle board not fungi? Our mold tests come up positive for mold in these situations. "Mold" and "Fungus" are synonyms. The mold people tell us, and our own experience confirms, that mold destroys wood fibers, whatever you want to call it. 

The situation is possibly different in California where the Pest Inspection industry does not want to be dealing with molds, and so does not recognize molds as "wood destroying pests", even though there is no scientific distinction between molds that the pest inspectors report on as wood destroying fungi and those that the labs identify for us, (which the pest inspectors do not comment on). They all are fungi. 

It is largely because the California Pest Control Board does not recognize the majority of molds as "wood destroying organisms" that the home inspectors are granted the opportunity to report upon them. "Granted the opportunity" is a cynical choice of words. 

The Board also does not consider any species of ant as wood destroying, or worthy of Section I status, leaving them exposed to criticism whether they report on ants or if they choose not to. 

The question that Ken asks is interesting, because I have heard the the same explanation, albeit infrequently, from Pest Inspectors. Usually in California the pest Inspectors are all too happy to call out siding and bathroom floors because particle board is "moisture damaged" or "fungus damaged". Then they come back and get paid to make the repair. Scott Merritt - Grass Valley, CA

Scott and all, I brought this up because I have regularly found (as you mentioned as well) that siding of this nature is commonly included in the 'termite" peoples "findings" as a damaged material, categorized as Section 1, and in need of repair or replacement to "clear their report". I don't understand why this particular inspector and company deemed it not classifiable as such in this particular instance. Are all the "others" that do call it practicing outside of their license???? The buyer was willing to accept the first "findings" for the seller had agreed to address the siding in a different fashion as part of the 'addendum' to their purchase contract, but it seems to be an open ended question if it is not to be universally either added and included or "omitted by definition" 

If I were a seller of a property, in contract to "clear the findings" on a structural pest report, would I be able to debate and fight a report that did call this as a section 1 notation, especially the underlayment in the bathroom next to the tub where the vinyl flooring had peeled back slightly, allowing for the "excessive moisture intrusion"? Ken Ives again in Sacramento

I've always thought that compressed wood siding can have dryrot, or wetrot, whatever you want to call it. I've seen it happily rotting away and growing mushrooms, or "fruiting bodies", which is the mature stage of the dryrot fungi. If it contains wood particles and retains enough moisture for a long enough period of time, why wouldn't it rot away like any other wood product? What is this "cooked"? I've heard of pressure treated wood that's saturated with chemicals (like arsenic) to retard the growth of the dryrot fungus, but I've never heard of being able to sterilize wood by "cooking" it. Am I missing something? Richard in Las Vegas, where are you? If this is an educational forum, please educate, because I'm having difficulty swallowing this. Best regards. Bill Craig - Florence, OR

The perfect timing award goes to Steve Bradley as he had just forwarded this letter to me from the Washington State Pest Control Board regarding the reporting of damaged pressed wood siding within a typical termite report.  The letter states the following........

GUIDANCE DOCUMENT FOR STRUCTURAL PEST INSPECTORS

August, 2001

 Composition Siding Reporting Requirements

Composition siding materials are commonly encountered during the course of structural pest inspections. These materials may consist of varying amounts of different products, including wood, plastic, or concrete. Excessive moisture conditions can cause wood destroying organisms such as rot fungus, moisture ants, and damp wood termites to infest or otherwise damage many types of siding, including composition, along with damage to adjacent structural materials.

Excess moisture in siding materials can lead to deterioration of the siding that then acts as a conducive condition to promote infestations by wood destroying organisms.

Structural pest inspectors have the option of excluding siding materials from their written reports.  However, if the siding is not excluded, then inspectors must thoroughly examine it for wood destroying organisms, damage, or conducive conditions and make their findings known in the report.

The Washington State Department of Agriculture does not expect structural pest inspectors to identify damage hidden beneath any siding materials.  However, inspectors are required to thoroughly examine and report on all wood destroying organisms and conducive conditions readily visible on or adjacent to siding materials.

Questions on the licensing and reporting requirements for structural pest inspectors can be directed to the Department at (360)902-2040. 

What do you think about WA's stance?

Your Name: Please include your name.


WORLD TRADE CENTER cont.

This photo touches the heartstrings........


LOWBALL ADVERTISING

Michael, I tried to respond to your fee issue of the MMM, but when I pressed submit, nothing happened. In case you didn't get it, here it is. 

Fees are a big issue for me. I have decided I would rather go out of business than meet the fee level expected by the agents in my area. That is easy for me to say. I'm a certified appraiser, and busy 24-7 right now. I have been working for other appraisers in order to devote my time to building an inspection business. I have worked my butt off for 2-1/2 years and am doing no more business than when I started. 

MANY agents tell me about all of the inspectors that charge $150-$225. I have a few agents that understand what I do and will primarily refer me. But most agents feel they are doing their client the best service if they refer a low fee inspector. Considering the cost of my equipment, my dues, my continuing education, my E&0, my education costs with a local home inspection school, with Ron Cloyd for both the basic course and the pest training, I'm not willing to make less than a toi let paper packer in the mill. I would rather make a living as an appraiser. 

This is a sad decision, because I wanted to get away from appraising. I find myself having re opened my own appraisal business and have done more appraisal work in the last month than inspections all year. I will market agents only when I meet them on an appraisal. I find the majority of them to be dull headed, and short sided in my area. Marketing them has been a complete waste of time and money for me. Does low ball pricing work in my area? You bet. It is the way of the world. I for one choose not to participate. 

Roy, thank you for the very profound words!


PHOTO CHALLENGE #74


What creative reporting statements would you use to describe this all too common condition???

Your Name:City: State:

Please include your name...

 


QUOTABLE QUOTE: "Does low ball pricing work in my area? You bet. It is the way of the world. I for one choose not to participate."  Roy Brown - WA


 

HAVE A GREAT WEEK! Michael Leavitt & Co Inspections, Inc.

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