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MONDAY MORNING MESSENGER

Message prepared especially for Members of the American Institute of Inspectors® as well as Home Inspectors abroad

April 9, 2001

GOOOOOD MORNING, A.I.I.™....

It might be a great day here in Washington! That's right, Washington. I am currently making my way home from the conference in Portland, Oregon. Have you heard of information overload?.... Well that is what happened over this weekend as my mind's hard drive was filled with facts about earthquakes, mold, electrical fires, attic ventilation, molds, and yes the ever popular "Sue the Home Inspector!" It was incredible to sit back and listen to the informative presenters.

A special thanks to all of your who proivided the feedback for today's issue. It has made the issue much easier to produce. News from the homefront is not good and I will keep you all informed as information becomes available.


SELLER'S COMPLAINT LETTER Part Two By Steve Bradley - Medford, OR

Last week we shared the complaint letter written by an irate Seller to both Mr. Bradley and to the State of Oregon Contractors Board. Here are some of the thoughts that were shared by the readership.

How was the access door left open if there had been no understructure inspection? Steve's report stated the floor condition as poor. I've seen many NEW bathroom floors by Harvey Homeowner or Fly-By-Nite Construction INC.that were in poor condition the day they were replaced. I recently inspected an old house that had three computers, portable electric heaters in every room, multiple tv's, etc. The homeowner had solved the ancient wiring problem (one outlet per room ) by using multiple strip adapters to power up all the electrical gadgets. THEY WEREN'T CONCERNED THAT THEY HAD 30 AMP FUSES IN EVERY CIRCUIT THAT WAS PULLING 29.9 AMPS THRU 80 YEAR OLD CLOTH WRAPPED WIRE.( go figure! ).

This letter is like the one Gene got a few weeks ago from an unhappy seller. This is a good example of the precarious position that we, as inspectors, are in. Certification is great for improving industry standards but having to answer to the Contractors Board is the pitts. They can't see through most frivolous complaints as though they are just waiting to rake us over the coals.

I just recently received a complaint from a buyer who got a report that I did for another party (who didn't buy) from the listing agent. Their name is not on the report, nor the contract, but have sixty some separate complaints listed. From UNLEVEL CLOSET APPARATUS to SLOPPY PAINT JOB. Here is a good one- KITCHEN PIPES BURST THE FIRST TIME WE USED FAUCET. I would like to know how that is possible! Anyway they filed complaint with the board and now I await while the board seeks additional info from the complainer. No one has bothered to ask me about anything, or even addressed the fact that the report was not done for or paid by the complainer. In Oregon this is definitely unfair situation for inspectors.

It is my understanding that real estate law says understructure dry rot wood destroying organism inspections must be shared by both parties but home inspections are not mentioned. That makes sense as the sellers normally have to make any repairs or exterminations needed to get a clear report, for lender requirements to finance. In Oregon, the contractors board does everything to encourage dissatisfied parties to file complaints and have little regard for the true validity of them. We pay for that service with our license fees. I think we are in the fish bowl more so than any other professional including Doctors and Presidents. Makes me wonder why we have all those disclaimers and terms of agreement signed and documented when they mean nothing to Lawyers or Contractor Board officials. Inspector beware! Reggie Ayres - Medford, OR

I would simply state that as a professional home inspector, the positive items as well as the challenges noted on the report were 100% accurate based on a complete visual inspection and at the time of inspection. As the report was developed for the buyer, and challenges were found, it is understandable and regrettable that there is disagreement with the seller on the issues. However because the seller has access to the report, he and his agent may find the report useful as a way to properly prepare the home for presentation to the next prospective purchasers. I would let him know that I would be happy to consult with him (for my typical fee) regarding preparation of the home for sale, and wish him good luck with future buyers. Good Luck, Steve. Roy Brown - Lake Stevens, WA

Dear Sharon XXXX, I'm sorry you feel that this report is inaccurate, however I feel that at the time the inspection was done, the report was accurate. Buying or selling a home or property can be an emotional time for everyone involved. When an inspection is done I try to insist on doing a walk through with the inspection purchaser after the inspection so the report can be explained in detail. Almost as important as the walk though is a phone call if any questions arise. If you would have called me we would have been able to go over the report together page by page over the phone, or perhaps even in person. I hope this helps you understand the inspection process. Good luck with the sale of your home. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to call.

Sincerely, XXXX Inspections - Eric Smith - Corvallis, OR

It I difficult to respond without having actually inspected the home. I have had a number of occasions where the buyer decided for other reasons not to buy a home and used my report as an escape hatch. If they disapprove the report they can terminate the transaction as long as the report is a contingency and they are within their time period. This can leave the inspector as the bad guy if the other people involved don't see the bigger picture. The sellers and their agent usually don't see the whole thing and end up hating the inspector.

If the seller's interpretation of the conditions noted are accurate, they should be able to respond to the buyer and clear up any misunderstanding. There would be no reason for the transaction to be terminated. If, however, the seller is viewing the home through a lens fogged with ignorance and emotion, as is often the case, they may never see the real picture. I inspected a 75 year old home last month that had a beautiful brick wainscot around the perimeter. I was sure it had a raised foundation until I entered the crawl space. The home had a pier and post foundation with earth wood contact everywhere. The brick was just a veneer hiding thousands of dollars in repairs. The sellers had no idea.

In defense of the seller, we as inspectors often put things in our reports to cover ourselves or demonstrate our dazzling intelligence that have little or no value to the clients and simply serve to cloud the process. As an example, our contract should cover the issue of inaccessible components unless there is an area of excessive or extraordinary clutter. I don't often see the need to put comments about items such as outlets, wall surfaces or floor coverings being inaccessible in the report. Jon Gudnason - Placerville, CA

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Homeowner, Thank you for sending me your document that includes your added findings. The two documents together forge a strong disclosure statement and conclusive evidence of the home's true condition. Your letter appears to have overtones of anger (Am I reading this correct? I feel your pain.). If I were you, I would be mad as hell too. I would be hunting down the people who are responsible for allowing your home to get to this state of disrepair. Their punishment would be just too; I would force them to work bare handed, with no power tools, on ALL the deferred maintenance items reported by the two of us. You can thank your lucky stars that my report, along with your added findings, means you can pass your home on to a Happy Buyer.

We all know that an Unhappy Buyer, who feels cheated or taken, can and most certainly will sue the seller after they move into what they thought was >Their Dream Home<. Again, Thank you for taking the time to communicate your findings with me. I feel, now, we can call each other inspector friends. If you decide to fix up your home, call me when the work is done and we'll break open a bottle of Champagne and celebrate.

Have a great day! Steve Dansby - Portola, California

That was great feedback by Steve Dansby, but then I realized that he had a second approach to the same situation......

Response #2: Dear Mr. & Mrs. Homeowner, The first question I have is "Are we talking about the same home?" The home I inspected appears to be located at the same address. However, the information in your letter challenges me to believe they could possibly be the same. I know when a buyer backs out of a sale it causes the seller to >point the finger of blame< to one or more of the professionals that had been at their home (appraiser, pest and/or home inspector) rather than the real culprit; THE CONDITION OF THE HOME. Now you are in a dilemma. You currently have a professional document that discloses the condition of the components in the home. However, since you have been made aware of these issues you now have options: either repair/replace the defective items or ignore them and the report and sell as is. Question: "Do you understand >Full disclosure<?" Just wondering. Have a wonderful day! Steve Dansby - Portola, CA

I had the "pleasure" of receiving one of these literary works. I did what we should all do...act immediately to get the exact story. In my case, it was the buyer that was upset. When I arrived, I found two items that were of substance and the others were due to the seller making off with materials. Additionally, the buyer did not follow the recommendation to do a walk through of the home prior to signing. The seller had a large amount of furniture and packing boxes that covered up conditions. In Steve's case, going over the report with the seller, even though not the client, would clarify issues. I have used the electrical condition comment before and it pertains to electronics not capacity of the system. Oh well, if I know Steve, he will handle it with due promptness. It always seems to be the ones that do not pay the tab that cause the letters. A phone call would clarify so much. Good luck Steve. Jim Corbin - Bow -WA

Without seeing the report it is hard to say, but I am still having an issue with the seller getting the report for the fee paid by the buyer. I suppose that Steve reported honestly and correctly and only needs to verify his findings, or am I missing something here? Chris Burkhart - Sandy, UT

Dear Mr Homeowner ...I am glad that you have been happy in your home for the last 11 years and I expect the next owner will be happy to, but please realize I was paid by Mrs. @#@$ to give my opinion the conditions of the home so they could make a decision on what would be involved to make it to what they want. So they could be as happy in it as you where. A lot of the things I wrote seem small to you but I must report what I see so that the pending purchaser can make a valued decision. Roy Cooke - Brighton, Ontario Canada

It is rather difficult for me to come up with a response to this letter not having inspected the property. At the same time it appears painfully obvious that the disgruntled seller is upset at someone who is not to blame. My response might go something like: Terribly sorry about leaving the gate and crawl space access open. As for the conditions of the various items reported on: I have developed, over the years, a system for reporting conditions of components in the home that I feel is fair, accurate and consistent. The mere fact that you have been able to operate or live with the conditions of the various components reported on for 11 years (ie. roof, oven, electrical system that is severely overloaded, by the way, thanks for demonstrating the need for a new system in your letter to the CCB they will likely get a good laugh over that) does not, by default, categorize those components as being in "good" condition. The "newness" of a component (floor covering) also does not determine the condition of that component. Many factors are considered when assigning a condition to a component including but not limited to: Serviceability, Durability, Is component within, near the end of, or past its designed life expectancy, etc... It is improbabable that your assessment of the conditions of the components would be consistent with mine. I have no vested interest in the property or whether or not the house sells. You are trying to sell a house and will benefit greatly in the sale of the house. Because you do have vested interest in the property is one of multitudinal reasons why you were not contracted to perform the inspection. (probably would not include last two sentences.) I have photos and documentation coming out of my ears to further stand behind my report. et cetera..... Peter Barten - Bay City, OR

The responses to Steve's plight were very informative, and yes we all know how hard it is to comment since we didn't inspect the home. Those with time in the profession have all received some sort of letter like Steve's. How we respond to the angry tones in the letters varies greatly. Many times the first draft is a good way to vent your anger but not necessarily appropriate to send out. We have the good fortune to have the letter that Steve sent to the Seller. Please remember that Steve was also using the letter to defend himself with the State Contractors Board.

Ms. Sharon R. $#@!
2178 @#$%@ St.
Medford, OR 97501


Reference: Your letter dated February 15, 2001
Subject: Response
Date: February 16, 2001


Dear Ms. $#@!:
I am truly sorry you feel I am responsible for the prospective buyers not proceeding on the
purchase of your home. Unfortunately I am unable to do anything for you.

Doug Jacobson accompanied me throughout this "partial" inspection and Karen was also
with me the majority of the time. The Jacobsons observed everything that was listed in the
report. This inspection was performed on February 9, 2001 in the afternoon. Report No.
01-0209.

I am sorry the rear gates were left open in the rear yard. The gate on the Spring Street side
was open upon arrival at your home. I forgot to close the West side gate. I left the cover off of
the crawl space access hole to allow for additional ventilation. I failed to mentioned this to you
upon leaving due to you being preoccupied with piano students and the children in the house
proved to be a distraction during the last part of the inspection. Since your dog was kenneled
upon arriving inside the house and I did not see the dog outside during the inspection I did not
know it was an outdoor rear yard dog. There is no rear house door into the backyard.

Your letter on page 1, paragraph 3 criticizes me listing your home as 70 plus years. If you
read the report, page 2, heading, GROUNDS & INFORMATION, subsection BUILDING
CHARACTERISTICS, Line 2, the report states: "ESTIMATED AGE OF HOME": 70 plus
years. The information I had from my client was that the home was built in the early 1930's.
As a Home Inspector I do not contact the City or County or Real Estate Agents unless I am
instructed to do so by my client, or they contact me directly. This is not an error. It is only an
estimate on the age of the home.

Your letter on page 1, paragraph 4, you take exception to earth to wood clearances. On page
3 of the report, subsection TOPOGRAPHY, Line 5, the report states "EARTH TO WOOD
CLEARANCES": Earth to wood clearance does not meet the recommenced 4 to 6 inches
current minimum standards. This was noted at the following locations: garage. As you were
able to determine in reading this report I only made mention of the garage. The reasons the
garage was mentioned is due to the following. The client asked me to include this item in the
report. In addition the garage is considered part of the house due to the fact it is connected to
the house by the side entrance roof covering. This roof covering is attached to the home and
to the garage.

Your letter on page 1, paragraph 5, you state the roof was treated and never had a leak
problem in 11 years you have been in the house. The steep pitch of the roof allow snow and
water to run off quickly. On page 4 of the report, heading ROOFING, subsection, GENERAL
ROOFING CONDITIONS, Line 10, "ROOF COVERING STATUS": Roof appears to be at/near
the end of its useful life. A licensed roofing contractor should be called to make further
evaluation and repairs as needed. The reason this recommendation for further evaluation by
a roofing contractor was made is due to the fact the lower pitched areas of the roof have
sustained damage, "deferred maintenance" and the attached side porch roof and garage roof
is damaged. No paperwork was given to me that was from a licensed roofing contractor
stating the roof had been recently treated and certified as to the remaining life expectancy.
Plus due to the steepness of the pitch I was unable to view the ridge caps to ascertain their
condition. In addition you are correct in stating a steep pitched roof clears snow and water at
a faster rate.

Your letter on page 1 and continuing to page 2, paragraph 6, beginning on line 1 to line 3, you
state the counters were clear except for appliances which always sit on the counter. On page
5 of the report, heading KITCHEN, subsection, GENERAL KITCHEN CONDITIONS, Line 9,
"COUNTERTOPS": Cluttered. General condition is good at areas able to be viewed. The
amount of appliances and knickknacks on the counter top left less than approximately 50% of
the total area to be viewed. This was the reason "cluttered" was used.

Beginning on line 4 to line 7, you state both ovens work well. When we purchased the home,
2 knobs were missing. "Admittedly, a bit inconvenient, but I don't need both ovens very often".
This would be an easy fix. On page 5 of the report, heading KITCHEN, subsection KITCHEN
APPLIANCES, Line 4, "OVEN": Top oven does not operate. Condition is poor.

Home Inspectors do not operate appliances without knobs or try to determine why the knobs
are not installed. There were stored items in the top oven also and the oven did not appear to
have been utilized in the near past. Therefore the condition was rated as poor. For your
information should the proper knobs have been installed at the time of the inspection and the
stored items were seen in the oven the remarks in the inspection report would indicated the
unit was not tested due to the stored items. Have owner demonstrate proper operation of
oven prior to closing.

Beginning on page 2, line 3 to line 4, you state the cook top is working well and has much
more useful life. On page 5 of the report, heading KITCHEN, subsection KITCHEN
APPLIANCES, line 3, "STOVE" (Range): Damaged ceramic cook top. Condition is poor. The
cook top was observed with damage to the cooking surface, cracks. Therefore the condition is
poor. I might ask you or any other person how they can determine this item has "much more
useful life." All appliances have a life expectancy from 8 to 20 years and if an appliance has
damage does it extend its useful life?

Beginning on page 2, line 6 to line 7, you state the dishwasher is brand new and has not had a
problem with leaking. On page 5 of the report, heading KITCHEN, subsection GENERAL
KITCHEN CONDITIONS, line 2, General condition is Fair to Poor. Moisture under vinyl in
front of dishwasher. Recommend removing dishwasher to further evaluate if unit is currently
leaking and assess any damage to the underlayment. make any recommend repairs as
advised by the contractor. I did not say the unit is leaking. You said the unit is new. How
new? Who installed the unit? Did the old unit leak? Did a licensed plumbing contractor state
the unit is not leaking or that the previous unit did not leak? Did a licensed contractor install
the new unit? The vinyl flooring is not newly installed. My moisture meter indicated moisture
under the vinyl in front of the dishwasher. This indication of moisture under the vinyl calls for
further evaluation on why moisture was discovered in this area. Possibly an old or current
plumbing or dishwater leak. The underlayment is particle board and readily absorbs moisture
which is conducive to deterioration.

Your letter on page 2, paragraph 2, line 3 to line 4 stated there is an outlet at the base of the
stairs which is clearly visible. On page 5 of the report, heading LAUNDRY, subsection
LAUNDRY ROOM, line 11, OUTLETS: None of the outlets could be accessed or tested.
There was no accessible outlets to be tested at the time of the inspection. Home Inspectors
do not remove items plugged into electrical outlets, nor do Home Inspectors move furniture or
appliances or personal belongings to access any outlets unless agreed to in advance.

Beginning on page 2, paragraph 2, line 4 to line 5 stated there is a heating vent at the base of
the stairs also fully disable. On page 5 of the report, heading LAUNDRY, subsection
LAUNDRY ROOM, line 12, No room heating was identified. If a heater duct is located in this
location then I missed pointing it out to the prospective buyers due to either being blocked
from view or by the cluttered conditions within this home.

Your letter on page 2, paragraph 3, you state the entire bathroom floor had been replaced in
the summer of 1999. All the old wood was removed down to the floor joists and a whole new
subfloor and floor were put in and new linoleum. The toilet and vanity were also replaced at
that time and are new. If an understructure inspection had been done on the house, it would
have been obvious that the floor was new. On page 7 of the report, heading BATHROOMS,
subsection BATHROOM #1, line 3, FLOORING: Vinyl: The vinyl is discolored (stained) from
moisture along the edge of the tub/shower. General condition is Poor. Line 21, TOILET:
There is evidence of moisture subfloor deterioration. This should be replaced before applying
new floor coverings. Line 22, PLUMBING LEAKS: The vinyl is discolored around the toilet
base and there is some subfloor deterioration. This is usually a sign of a leaking wax toilet
base seal. Line 23, REMARKS: A licensed contractor should further evaluate this bathroom
to determine the extent of needed repairs. My client also knew this last statement applied to the tub/shower surround and sheetrock next to the surround area.

I agree with you the sink and vanity had been recently replaced. The floor was not completed properly with no moldings installed and expandable foam inserted into the wall/flooring joints. The floor has signs of visible moisture damage. My moisture meter indicated moisture under the vinyl. With moisture under the vinyl there is expected damage to the underlayment. I did not crawl under this home to complete the wood destroying organism/understructure inspection due to the fact my client requested me not to continue on with the inspection due to their personal challenges they foresaw. Buy the way I was not privileged to their reasoning. You said: " the entire bathroom floor had been replaced in the summer of 1999. All the old wood was removed
down to the floor joists and a whole new subfloor and floor were put in and new linoleum."
This is a gross misstatement due to the fact the tub has not been removed in the recent past.

Your letter on page 2, paragraph 4, line 5 to 9, you state we currently have 2 computers in
use, 2 televisions, 2 VCR's, 2 stereos, 4 portable CD players, a microwave, a washer and
dryer, a refrigerator, a freezer, and other conventional appliances and have never had a
problem with our electrical system. Please refer to page 12, heading, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM,
subheading ELECTRICAL SYSTEM and read this thoroughly. This electrical system upon
further evaluation by Certified Property Inspection Services needs to be completely evaluated
by a licensed electrical contractor for safety reasons. Please review the challenges in the
report that should be addressed. In addition to the above systems you mention you have
electric double ovens, electric cook top, dishwasher, electric fan in the heating system and a
garage electrical loading.

This system was not designed for this total current draw/electrical loading.
Page 2, paragraph 5 inclusive. You, Ms $#@! have crossed the line in complaining about a
service which was not contracted by you. You have now slandered my name and my
company's name, I demand a full retraction in writing to all the people you have your
referenced letter to in writing.

Ms. $#@!, for your information, let me remind you that since you now have a copy of the
partial home inspection in your possession that I conducted on 2-9-01 and a response to your
letter dated 2-15-01 you are now required by law to disclose any and all items found in the
report dated 2-9-01 and the response letter dated 2-16-01 to the next purchaser.
For your information my client has contacted me after receiving your letter dated 2-15-01 and
is in total agreement with my report on the salient parts of the complete report I provided to
them.

For your information a "Summary of Oregon Home Inspector Certification Law and Standards
of Practice for Home Inspections" is included and made part of this document. I follow these
Standards completely. Perhaps this document may possibly help you understand what an
"Oregon Certified Home Inspector" evaluates.

Respectively,
Steven R. Bradley
Certified Property Inspection Services
PO Box 2
Medford, OR 97501
CCB Lic# 122842
OCHI# 054

Since Steve's letter is a defense letter to the Contractor's Board, how well do you think he defended himself???

Your Name:City: State:

Please include your name or I don't know who it is from...


METH MESS - Utah Without Lab-Cleanup Standards

If you missed last week's information on Crystal Meth houses, please go back and read it first. Here are some great perspectives.......

Years ago many toxin levels were considered safe and/or acceptable using the testing methods of PPM ( parts per million ). As technology improved and testing became PPB ( parts per billion ) these once safe levels were no longer acceptable. Then came PPT ( parts per trillion ). Now we find that nothing much is actually and totally free of some kind of toxin, natural or man made. As long as lawyers throw out signed agreements limiting liability, we are apt to face lawsuits for any complaint that arises after we perform a service with best effort and true reporting to the best of our capability and available technology we have.

How good are our disclaimers regarding hazardous substance issues?Disclaimers and signed agreement contracts seem to mean very little to people who want to assign blame somewhere, and not assume any responsibility for decisions of purchase themselves. Inspector Beware! Reggie Ayres - OR

I do not have answers to the questions you pose. I have never thought specifically of the issue. This is one of the great values of this chat group. I am now thinking of these things. With the frequency of the labs being discovered, the chances we will be involved in a home inspection "sometime" in the future also go up. I've never had any training dealing with the chemical cleanup after a Meth lab has been shut down. Possibly this would be a good topic for our annual meeting. I usually inquire about the house if it has been vacant. I also make note of odors but would be at a loss to identify them if other than moisture based. I would be interested in other thoughts. I have not run across this up here...yet. Maybe AII™ should consider a seminar on the subject to give us the "technical awareness" of what is happening to manufacture, dispose, cleanup after, etc. the manufactured drug lab. Jim Corbin - Bow, WA

In Oregon we have the "DEQ". We have clean-up laws with teeth. The homes I know that were used to manufacture drugs in were razed and taken to a hazardous approved landfill. Steve Bradley, Medford, OR

Our inspection is not for environmental hazards and this should be clearly stated in any contract an inspector is using. Just another motivation to carry good E&O insurance. Jon Gudnason - Placerville, CA

What is the possibility of any vacant home having residue on the walls, carpets, or counter tops? I am not a drug dealer or manufacturer so what would I know about evidence? What risk is there for my health? To heck with this, I'm moving to Oregon and argue with the Seller's. Steve are you hiring? Chris Burkhart - Sandy, UT

What would Greg Pyfrom have to say on the issue???

Your Name: Please include your name or else I don't know who it is from.


PHOTO CHALLENGE #52 FEEDBACK

Inspector Beware!!! As an inspector, you must beware of all the ways that you can get in trouble for things that really are not your fault or responsibility simply because of the position you are placed in. This society is sue crazy and people seem to have no responsibility for the decisions that they make. If they are not happy with something they simply complain to an attorney or a state regulatory agency and then you have to defend things that your contract spells out limiting liability. That contract seems to mean nothing when someone feels buyers remorse. Buy E&O insurance if you don't have it.
Reggie Ayres - Medford,OR

I would have a conversation with my attorney. It would seem that the connection to the condition(s) was made with the inspection. What is in the bags is a guess without a lab analysis. It is a good question and I hope to never be in the position. I think, though, I would seek advice. This is another area...I don't know what is needed in a home to manufacture drugs. Another topic to learn. Jim Corbin, Bow, WA

Scott, I sure hope I never have to be in the position as you describe with the seller at home. A true moral dilemma, should you report/talk to the authorities or not if confronted. I personally would contact the Sheriff or the Police. I also would restate in my report that this home or property is or was a suspected meth/drug manufacturing area. In Oregon we have the Department of Environmental Affairs who oversee the clean-up of drug manufacturing areas. Also in Oregon the property owner is liable for the total cost of clean-up which always seems to be in the 5 figures. Steve Bradley - Medford, OR

That may be enough stuff to quit inspecting homes this year. I think you can sell it on the internet at WWW.burnouts.com Chris Burkhart - Sandy, UT

Is Chris stating that he is quitting the Home Inspection business and selling his enterprise at the above listed website, or is he saying "Thanks for the Hot Tip" and he is going to start cooking Crystal Meth at his house and will sell the bags for a huge profit at www.burnouts.com?..... Thanks for the great input!!! Michael Leavitt


PHOTO CHALLENGE #53

 
   

 Another Reason For Removing The Dead Panel

 

How Did That Mouse Get In There?

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QUOTABLE QUOTES: To heck with this, I'm moving to Oregon and argue with the Seller's. Steve are you hiring? Chris Burkhart - Sandy, UT.... In reference to the Crystal Meth Lab liability.


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